Legislature(2001 - 2002)

01/15/2002 01:56 PM House FIN

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                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     January 15, 2002                                                                                           
                          1:56 PM                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
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CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder called the House  Finance Committee meeting                                                                     
to order at 1:56 PM.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Eldon Mulder, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative Bill Williams, Co-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Con Bunde, Vice-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Eric Croft                                                                                                       
Representative John Davies                                                                                                      
Representative Richard Foster                                                                                                   
Representative John Harris                                                                                                      
Representative Bill Hudson                                                                                                      
Representative Ken Lancaster                                                                                                    
Representative Jim Whitaker                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Carl Moses                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative John Coghill; Adjutant General BG Phil Oates,                                                                    
Commissioner, Department of Military and  Veterans Affairs;                                                                     
Jim Duncan, Commissioner, Department of Administration; Pat                                                                     
Pourchot,  Commissioner, Department  of Natural  Resources;                                                                     
Alison   Elgee,   Deputy    Commissioner,   Department   of                                                                     
Administration;   Dan  Spencer,   Director,   Division   of                                                                     
Administrative Services, Department of Administration; Mark                                                                     
Myers, Director,  Division of  Oil and  Gas, Department  of                                                                     
Natural Resources.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
There were no teleconference participants.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
GENERAL SUBJECT(S):                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mission and Measures reports:                                                                                                   
     Military and Veterans Affairs                                                                                              
     Department of Natural Resources                                                                                            
     Department of Natural Resources                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The following overview was taken in log note format.  Tapes                                                                     
and handouts will be on file with the House Finance                                                                             
Committee through the 22nd Legislative Session, contact 465-                                                                    
2156. After the 22nd Legislative Session they will be                                                                           
available through the Legislative Library at 465-3808.                                                                        
 LOG SPEAKER                DISCUSSION                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
      TAPE HFC 02 - 1       MILITARY AND VETERANS AFFAIRS                                                                   
      SIDE A                                                                                                                  
 000 CO-CHAIR MULDER        Welcomed members and observed that the                                                              
                            purpose of the meeting was to review the                                                            
                            performance of the agencies over the past                                                           
                            year and to see how state resources                                                                 
                            appropriated by the Legislature were                                                                
                            used.                                                                                             
 178 ADJUTANT GENERAL BG Thanked the Committee and Co-Chair Mulder                                                              
      PHIL OATES,           for their support of the 24-hour a day                                                              
      COMMISSIONER,         State Emergency Coordination Center. The                                                            
      DEPARTMENT OF         resources into the facility helped to                                                               
      MILITARY AND          protect the lives, health and safety of                                                             
      VETERANS AFFAIRS      Alaskans.                                                                                         
 268 Commissioner Oates     He reviewed the department's mission                                                                
                            statement. He noted that the mission is                                                             
                            to respond to emergencies, provide                                                                  
                            homeland security, be prepared for war,                                                             
                            and work with disadvantage youth through                                                            
                            the youth challenge program. The state                                                              
                            has built a successful model for the                                                                
                            nation.                                                                                           
 397 Commissioner Oates     Provided members with a summary of the                                                              
                            Military and Veterans Affairs'                                                                      
                            performance measures (copy on file). He                                                             
                            reviewed the National Guard's military                                                              
                            efficiency and readiness. Discussed the                                                             
                            efforts of the National Guard on 9/11/01.                                                           
                            He concluded that they were efficient and                                                           
                            ready for the emergency. All missions and                                                           
                            deployments were accomplished with no                                                               
                          loss of life.                                                                                       
 618 Commissioner Oates     Reviewed the second measure: adequacy of                                                            
                            response time for each emergency.                                                                   
                            Concluded that the response time has been                                                           
                            good and lives have been saved. Short                                                               
                            response is 30 minutes, the medium                                                                  
                            response is 1 hour and 45 minutes and the                                                           
                            long response is 3 hours and 30 minutes                                                             
                            from notification. There were 51 search                                                             
                            and research missions. They performed 289                                                           
                            rescues and saved 100 lives.                                                                      
 670 Commissioner Oates     Discussed measure 3: number of persons                                                              
                            assisted during actual events. He noted                                                             
                            that the National Guard assists all                                                               
                           Alaskans in terms of: air sovereignty and                                                            
                           defense, counter drug operation, and the                                                             
                           Youth Corps.                                                                                       
      Commissioner Oates   Recruitment and retention goals were meet                                                            
                           and exceeded. There is renewed interest                                                              
                           in joining the Guard. They are trying to                                                             
                           restore membership in rural Alaska. Nome                                                             
                           and Kotzebue are on the list to receive                                                              
                           Junior Army ROTC.                                                                                  
775 Commissioner Oates     Gave examples of new missions. Discussed                                                             
                           space surveillance and security at the                                                               
                           Clear Air Station and the Alaska North                                                               
                           American Aerospace Defense Command. The                                                              
                           strategic airlift mission is                                                                         
                           questionable. Discussion is occurring                                                                
                           regarding whether it would be active                                                                 
                           guard.                                                                                             
958 Commissioner Oates     He noted that there were no days lost due                                                            
                           to facility related injuries at the                                                                  
                           Alaska National Guard. The facility cost                                                             
                           per square foot dropped from $3.21 to                                                                
                           $2.31 dollars. The cost per person also                                                              
                           dropped from $5.87 to $3.83 dollars.                                                                 
                           There was a savings of 18 percent in fuel                                                            
                           costs.                                                                                             
1014 Commissioner Oates    Discussed educational benefits. He noted                                                             
                           that 132 guard and naval militia received                                                            
                           tuition assistance from the state. Over                                                              
                           the past two years 324 guard members have                                                            
                           attended the university.                                                                           
1028 Commissioner Oates    Discussed the Alaska Military Youth                                                                  
                           Academy. He noted that the cadets are                                                                
                           doing well and their achievements are                                                                
                           better than the national average.                                                                  
1143 Commissioner Oates    Discussed veterans' benefits. He noted                                                               
                           that the state's contribution of $540                                                                
                           thousand dollars resulted in $29.8                                                                   
                           million dollars in increased benefits to                                                             
                           Alaskan veterans. He observed that                                                                   
                           veterans are contacting the Veterans'                                                                
                           Services and are being served in rural                                                               
                           areas.                                                                                             
1225 Commissioner Oates    Discussed disaster planning and control.                                                             
                           He noted that every incident resulted in                                                             
                           an after action report which improved                                                                
                           their ability to communicate and operate.                                                            
                           All the existing disasters will be closed                                                            
                           out in the current fiscal year unless                                                                
                           something unforeseen occurs.                                                                       
1265 Commissioner Oates    Reviewed the number of persons assisted                                                              
                           during national events. There were 64,348                                                            
                           Alaskans directly assisted. He noted that                                                            
                           1,103,338 other Alaskans were assisted                                                             
                            during non-disaster events.                                                                       
 1292 Commissioner Oates    He reviewed updates to the state                                                                    
                            emergency plan. The plan is consistent                                                              
                            with Federal Emergency Management Agency                                                            
                            (FEMA) requirements.                                                                              
 1315 REPRESENTATIVE CROFT  Questioned if the intent is to have                                                                 
                            frequent updates.                                                                                 
 1332 Commissioner Oates    Responded that the plan needs to be                                                                 
                            updated to respond to the changing                                                                  
                            climate after 9/11/01.                                                                            
 1353Commissioner Oates     Discussed reporting requirements and the                                                            
 `                          costs per department. Total expenditures                                                            
                            were $2,795,720 million dollars excluding                                                           
                            disaster relief. No late penalties were                                                             
                            assessed and the average vendor time was                                                            
                            20 days. There were no audit exceptions.                                                          
 1399 Commissioner Oates    Discussed deferred maintenance. There was                                                           
                            a net reduction of 2.6 percent. However,                                                            
                            there is a backlog of $21.8 million                                                                 
                            dollars. Without additional funding there                                                           
                            will not be a 5 percent reduction in the                                                            
                            backlog.                                                                                          
 1436 Commissioner Oates    Concluded that the department has done a                                                            
                            good job.                                                                                         
 1447 Representative        Complimented the Commissioner and asked                                                             
      Hudson                for him to repeat the number of persons                                                             
                            assisted.                                                                                         
 1501 Commissioner Oates    Explained that the number of persons                                                                
                            assisted during actual events were                                                                  
                            64,348. He noted that assistance was also                                                           
                            provided during 9 significant events                                                                
                            including the Special Olympics and the                                                              
                            mock preparation of weapons of mass                                                                 
                            destruction attacks. The total number of                                                            
                            persons that participated during these                                                              
                            events was 1,103,438.                                                                             
 1514 Vice-Chair Bunde      Noted that approximately 10 percent of                                                              
                            the population was assisted directly by                                                             
                            the National Guard. He questioned how                                                               
                            this compared to other states.                                                                    
 1583 Commissioner Oates    Noted that Alaska is prone to emergency                                                             
                            situations. He observed that the 24-hour                                                            
                            a day emergency coordination center was                                                             
                            vital to the department's ability to get                                                            
                            out of the blocks.                                                                                
 1658 Vice-Chair Bunde      Acknowledged that Alaskan lifestyle and                                                             
                            geography offer lots of opportunities for                                                           
                            their expertise. He noted that this                                                                 
                            accounts for some of the difference in                                                              
                            the per capita state between Alaska and                                                             
                            other states. He questioned the coverage                                                            
                            available to the state.                                                                           
1724 Commissioner Oates    Acknowledged that it is stretched with                                                               
                           resources that have been deployed in                                                                 
                           response to 9/11/01. He observed that the                                                            
                           National Guard has become more                                                                       
                           professional, but emphasized that they                                                               
                           are doing more.                                                                                    
1805 Commissioner Oates    Noted that new full time jobs are being                                                              
                           created. The National Guard has taken up                                                             
                           more duties, which has freed active duty                                                             
                           forces.                                                                                            
1846 Vice-Chair Bunde      Questioned if rescued missions can be                                                                
                           covered with the current call up.                                                                  
1867 Commissioner Oates    Affirmed that emergency search and rescue                                                            
                           missions can be covered under the current                                                            
                           call up.                                                                                           
1888 Vice-Chair Bunde      Asked for information regarding where the                                                            
                           work is being focused.                                                                             
1908 Commissioner Oates    Noted that increased security has                                                                    
                           resulted in an increase in drug seizures                                                             
                           at airports. The National Guard provides                                                             
                           resources for agencies working with drug                                                             
                           enforcement. He stated that he would                                                                 
                           provide geographical background.                                                                   
1957 Representative        Questioned if the Guard is having                                                                    
      Foster               difficulty filling their recruitment.                                                              
1985 Commissioner Oates    Responded that they have not had                                                                     
                           difficulty filling spots. They try to                                                                
                           locate guardsmen in their home areas.                                                              
2016 Commissioner Oates    Discussed housing for guardsmen.                                                                   
2036 Commissioner Oates    Noted that the federal government is                                                                 
                           currently paying guardsmen as a result of                                                            
                           9/11/01 call-ups. He observed that                                                                   
                           additional training has been necessary                                                               
                           for work in public buildings.                                                                      
2110 Commissioner Oates    Discussed the scout group. They are a                                                                
                           model for homeland security. He                                                                      
                           recommended that federal funding be                                                                  
                           available for future national concerns                                                               
                           with identification of areas of coverage.                                                          
2201 Representative John Questioned what are the key elements of                                                                
      Davies               homeland security.                                                                                 
2213 Commissioner Oates    Stressed the need for systems to be in                                                               
                           place for reaction such as better                                                                    
                           intelligence apparatus and linkage with                                                              
                           FBI and federal entities. He noted the                                                               
                           importance of the ability to communicate.                                                            
                           It is important to have strong public                                                                
                           health and safety coverage, which are the                                                            
                           first responders. Police and firemen are                                                             
                           often the first on site.                                                                           
2300 Commissioner Oates    Referred to the Office of Homeland                                                                   
                           Security and stressed that they must have                                                          
                            the ability to work with federal                                                                    
                            government for funding.                                                                           
 2321 Commissioner Oates    Noted that they are working for changes                                                             
                            that will make them more capable of                                                                 
                            responding. He noted that there is not                                                              
                            much time to react to a terrorist attack.                                                           
                            The biggest shortfall is in public health                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                            TAPE HFC 02 - 1, Side B                                                                        
 030 Commissioner Oates     He asked the Committee to imagine an                                                                
                            emergency situation where there were not                                                            
                            sufficient resources to treat all of the                                                            
                            injured.                                                                                          
 085 Representative John Asked what other kinds of threats are                                                                  
      Davies                waiting and if we are ready.                                                                      
 121 Commissioner Oates     Emphasized that the Guard is the best                                                               
                            place for homeland security. He stressed                                                            
                            that the Guard needs to move away from a                                                            
                            cold war formation of large armored                                                                 
                            actions to lighter, smaller units. The                                                              
                            Guard's mission to protect critical                                                                 
                            sites. The State needs to look over key                                                             
                            utilities and assets such as the Valdez                                                             
                            terminal to determine responsibility for                                                            
                            response and determine availability for                                                             
                            assistance. Contingency plans have been                                                             
                            developed in relation to the Trans Alaska                                                           
                            Pipeline and the terminal at Valdez, but                                                            
                            there needs to be an operation plan for                                                             
                            all key assets, which identifies the                                                                
                            threat level and response.                                                                        
 410 Commissioner Oates     Observed that the challenge is to protect                                                           
                            resources. Most of the legislation                                                                  
                            introduced by the Governor deals with the                                                           
                            ability to respond to increased threats                                                             
                            and to provide penalties for hoaxes or                                                              
                            other things that require response.                                                               
 559 Representative         Asked if there is overlap or duplication                                                            
      Lancaster             of services.                                                                                      
 611 Commissioner Oates     Responded that duplication is needed in                                                             
                            terms of communication. He felt that the                                                            
                            department is on target. He pointed out                                                             
                            that the department brings in funds.                                                              
 685 Representative         Noted that he worked with search and                                                                
      Hudson                rescue. He questioned if the missions and                                                           
                            measures need to be reviewed in response                                                            
                            to changes toward homeland security. He                                                             
                            noted that the boating safety legislation                                                           
                            envisioned that the National Guard would                                                            
                            work with the Coast Guard.                                                                        
 767 Commissioner Oates     Stressed that he is a champion of                                                                   
                            increases in Coast Guard budget. He                                                                 
                            pointed out that homeland security needs                                                            
                            to operate on an interagency fashion.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                           DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION                                                                     
904 JIM DUNCAN,            Reviewed the department's mission. He                                                                
      COMMISSIONER,        noted that the department touches all                                                                
    DEPARTMENT OF        Alaskans through its four divisions.                                                                 
      ADMINISTRATION                                                                                                            
1026 Commissioner Duncan HB 250 contains 59 measurements for the                                                                
                           Department of Administration. He                                                                     
                           highlighted their performance measures                                                               
                           and noted that the department is working                                                             
                           to improve their performance measures.                                                             
1109 Commissioner Duncan Reviewed successes and stressed that the                                                               
                           intent is to provide better services. He                                                             
                           noted that the Information Technology                                                                
                           Group (ITG) downtime for the mainframe                                                               
                           computer system was less than 1 percent.                                                             
                           He explained that downtime for                                                                       
                           telecommunications is harder to measure                                                              
                           since there are many different                                                                       
                           telecommunication systems.                                                                         
1171 Commissioner Duncan Discussed state partnership with the                                                                   
                           private sector. The state signed a five-                                                             
                           year partnership with Alaska                                                                         
                           Communications Services Group (ACS). ACS                                                             
                           will invest $29 million dollars at no                                                                
                           additional cost to the state. He pointed                                                             
                           out that Alaska is the only state in a                                                               
                           partnership agreement with a private                                                                 
                           vendor. He thought that ACS would develop                                                            
                           innovative ways to reduce downtime for                                                               
                           communities that rely on public                                                                      
                           television and radio services.                                                                     
1414 Commissioner Duncan Reviewed measures for the Division of                                                                  
                           Personnel. He noted that disputes are                                                                
                           inherent in any large organization. Their                                                            
                           goal is to reduce grievances to 50                                                                   
                           percent.                                                                                           
1637 Commissioner Duncan Discussed measured for the Division of                                                                 
                           Finance. The Division's mission is to                                                                
                           provide accountability. The department                                                               
                           implemented the "One Card Alaska"                                                                    
                           program. The state entered into a long-                                                              
                           term contract with the First National                                                                
                           Bank of Alaska to provide credit card                                                                
                           services to consolidate purchasing of                                                                
                           state agencies.                                                                                    
1717 Commissioner Duncan There are separate contracts for                                                                       
                           purchasing cards and travel cards.  Those                                                            
                           are not with Alaska institutions.  The                                                               
                           program provides flexibility for agency                                                              
                           needs. Conversion begins in March. It has                                                            
                           served the agencies well.                                                                          
1755 Representative        Asked if the state would receive the                                                                 
      Hudson               mileage.                                                                                           
 1767 Commissioner Duncan Replied that the state does not receive                                                               
                            mileage and pointed out that it was not                                                             
                            part of the requirement for that                                                                    
                            proposal.                                                                                         
 1793 Co-Chair Mulder       Thought it would be a competitive                                                                   
                            interest rate.                                                                                    
 1804 Commissioner Duncan Stated that there was no cost to the                                                                  
                            state and emphasized that it would employ                                                           
                            Alaskans.                                                                                         
 1820 Commissioner Duncan Discussed measures for the Division of                                                                
                            Motor Vehicles and concluded that the                                                               
                            Division is doing a good job. The first                                                             
                            two performance measures are the number                                                             
                            of complaints versus the wait lines. Web-                                                           
                            cams have helped with these measures and                                                            
                            lines have been decreased.                                                                        
 1879 Commissioner Duncan He noted that there were 80,000 hits on                                                               
                            the website. Many people have                                                                       
                            complimented the Division on the use of                                                             
                            the web cam. They also have an active                                                               
                            email site. Web mark site and personal                                                              
                            license sites are available. Wait time                                                              
                            has been reduced.                                                                                 
 1927 Commissioner Duncan Observed that customers have positively                                                               
                            received the new Benson Office. There are                                                           
                            no lines in the Benson office. People can                                                           
                            sit down and wait for their numbers to be                                                           
                            called and the office is well staffed.                                                            
 2003 Representative John Referred to the joint trainings in the                                                                
      Davies                Division of Personnel. He stressed that                                                             
                            training is an on-going requirement.                                                              
 2041 Commissioner Duncan Recognized the need to continue training.                                                             
                            There will be annual training.                                                                    
 2060 Mr. Spencer           Explained that the training is a joint                                                              
                            interaction between state and union                                                                 
                            employees.                                                                                        
 2082 Commissioner Duncan Discussed the Procurement Certification                                                               
                            Program. More than 1,000 state employees                                                            
                            have attended procurement training over                                                             
                            the past year. He stressed that the                                                                 
                            training would address violations of the                                                            
                            Procurement Code.                                                                                 
 2136 Commissioner Duncan Noted that legislation was passed in the                                                              
                            previous session to establish the Public                                                            
                            Building Fund. The Division took over the                                                           
                            operation and maintenance of 8 state-                                                               
                            owned office buildings.                                                                           
 2160 Commissioner Duncan Explained that the Department of                                                                      
                            Administration can charge building costs                                                            
                            to the appropriated department. He                                                                  
                            pointed out that it is important to do                                                              
                            the day-to-day maintenance.  There                                                                
                           continues to be a large backlog of                                                                   
                           deferred maintenance.                                                                              
2224 Commissioner Duncan There is only one agency charged with                                                                  
                           helping state programs to find building                                                              
                           space. He noted that all tenants pay                                                                 
                           leasing costs. This allows the state to                                                              
                           charge non-general fund programs to their                                                            
                           share of building maintenance costs.                                                               
2236 Commissioner Duncan Discussed performance measures for the                                                                 
                           Pioneers' Home. He emphasized that the                                                               
                           homes provide direct public services. He                                                             
                           referred to a New York times articles                                                                
                           (copy on file) noting how Alaska protects                                                            
                           its elderly through its pioneer homes.                                                             
2292 Commissioner Duncan He observed that the medication error                                                                  
                           rates are much lower than national                                                                   
                           average. There are 85 - 88 vacancies in                                                              
                           the homes. The average age resident is                                                               
                           over 87.                                                                                           
2324 Commissioner Duncan He observed that there is a proposal to                                                                
                           recognize veterans and to give them                                                                  
                           preference in the homes.                                                                           
2351 Representative Croft Referred to the 2 - 6 percent injury                                                                  
                           rate.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                           TAPE HFC 02 - 2, Side A                                                                          
012 DAN SPENCER,           Explained that the rate is in                                                                        
      DIRECTOR, DIVISION   relationship to injuries in facilities.                                                              
      OF ADMINISTRATIVE    It is on the high end of an acceptable                                                               
      SERVICES, DEPARTMENT rate.                                                                                              
      OF ADMINISTRATION                                                                                                         
082 Representative         Referred to Alaska hire. He questioned if                                                            
      Hudson               the Department of Administration is the                                                              
                           agency to address Alaska hire.                                                                     
131 ALISON ELGEE, DEPUTY Pointed out that the Department of                                                                     
      COMMISSIONER,        Community and Economic Development                                                                   
      DEPARTMENT OF        administers the Buy Alaska Program and                                                               
      ADMINISTRATION       noted that the Department of Labor and                                                               
                           Workforce Development monitors Alaska                                                                
                           hire.                                                                                              
270 Commissioner Duncan Pointed out that Workplace Alaska                                                                       
                           specifies which jobs are open to non-                                                                
                           residents.                                                                                         
311 Ms. Elgee              Observed that state rules are clear that                                                             
                           there is an in-state hiring preference.                                                              
                           There is no ability to influence Alaska                                                              
                           hire in the private sector.                                                                        
417 Commissioner Duncan In response to a question by                                                                            
                           Representative Lancaster, discussed                                                                  
                           efficiencies in the telecommunications                                                               
                           partnership with the private sector.                                                               
518 Co-Chair Mulder        Questioned how ACS would affect public                                                               
                           radio.                                                                                             
 568 Commissioner Duncan Explained that ACS will be responsible                                                                 
                            for maintaining the 270 earth stations                                                              
                            around the state.                                                                                 
 593 Mr. Spencer            Clarified that most rural areas do not                                                              
                            have other radio contact.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                            DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES                                                                 
 648 PAT POURCHOT,          Reviewed the mission for the Department                                                             
      COMMISSIONER,         of Natural Resources and concluded that                                                             
      DEPARTMENT OF         they have meet targets for most of their                                                            
      NATURAL RESOURCES     44 measures.                                                                                      
 768 Commissioner           Noted that the department has continued                                                             
      Pourchot              to expand the use of technology.                                                                  
 818 Commissioner           Observed that the department still has                                                              
      Pourchot              some challenges in meeting some of the                                                              
                            measures, especially in attracting and                                                              
                            retaining personnel. They are undertaking                                                           
                            classification studies. He noted that                                                               
                            some successes have become challenges.                                                              
                            Increased oil and gas activities have led                                                           
                            to new backlogs in processing and                                                                   
                            regulating of the high volume of leases                                                             
                            and permits. Increased park visitations                                                             
                            has created management and deferred                                                                 
                            maintenance problems.                                                                             
 953 Commissioner           Discussed the average time to respond to                                                            
      Pourchot              appeals and reconsiderations. He noted                                                              
                            that the average time was 29.2 days.                                                              
 1015 Commissioner          Reviewed the measure of compliance with                                                             
      Pourchot              area wide licensing. The department met                                                             
                            the measure with four area wide lease                                                               
                            sales. In addition, the department is in                                                            
                            final considerations of 2 exploration                                                               
                            licenses. There were 104 shallow gas                                                                
                            leases awarded.                                                                                   
 1070 Commissioner          Discussed the North Slope Foot Hills                                                                
      Pourchot              sale. It was the largest acreage sale                                                               
                            leased to date. There has been a dramatic                                                           
                            increase in lease sales.                                                                          
 1118 Commissioner          Reviewed seismic Data status. There has                                                             
      Pourchot              been dramatic progress in acquiring 2D                                                              
                            line miles and 3D square miles.                                                                   
 1194 Commissioner          Title work delays have been problematic.                                                            
    Pourchot              The department has a target of four                                                                   
                            months for title work.                                                                            
 1249 Co-Chair Mulder       Asked if there is a measurement on the                                                              
                            time.                                                                                             
 1282 Commissioner          Responded that there is currently no                                                                
      Pourchot              legislative measure.                                                                              
 1288 Co-Chair Mulder       Pointed out that lease transfers are time                                                           
                            consuming. He stressed that they                                                                    
                            anticipate that the increased licensing                                                             
                            and title workload will continue.                                                                 
1328 Commissioner          In response to a question by                                                                         
      Pourchot             Representative Whitaker, explained that                                                              
                           title delays result in a loss to the                                                                 
                           state in deferment of bonus bids and                                                                 
                           rental fees. There was a $10 million                                                                 
                           dollar loss in potential resulting from                                                              
                           delayed titles. The state only operates                                                              
                           on state lands and the work is done in                                                               
                           house.                                                                                             
1411 Co-Chair Mulder       Questioned what can be done to address                                                               
                           the delay.                                                                                         
1466 Commissioner          Last year the department had a backlog on                                                            
      Pourchot             title assignments. The new backlog is in                                                             
                           response to a renewed interest in                                                                    
                           leasing.                                                                                           
1494 Commissioner          Oil and gas revenues were increased by 10                                                            
      Pourchot             percent. He acknowledged that the price                                                              
                           of oil accounted for much of the increase                                                            
                           but noted that skilled staff assisted in                                                             
                           this increase. A TAPS difference of .05                                                              
                           cents could result in a $4 million dollar                                                            
                           increase.                                                                                          
1585 Commissioner          Discussed new and assigned gas rights.                                                               
      Pourchot             There were 1,356 assignments processed in                                                            
                           FY01. He noted that there is increasing                                                              
                           satellite development, meeting declines                                                              
                           in other fields. An expanded Point                                                                   
                           Thompson unit was approved. The state's                                                              
                           royalty share was increased and the gas                                                              
                           field is on tract for development. He                                                                
                           explained that Exxon has a 30 percent                                                                
                           share.                                                                                             
1714 Representative Croft  Questioned benchmarks to indicate                                                                    
                           exploration is proceeding.                                                                         
1764 Mark Myers,           Explained that exploration drilling will                                                             
      Director, Division   take place in the Point Thompson unit; an                                                            
      of Oil and Gas,      exploratory well must take place in one                                                              
      Department of        year. They must initiate drilling by 2006                                                            
      Natural Resources    and have 8 wells by 2008. There is an                                                                
                           aggressive one-year plan for development.                                                            
                           There are penalties if they do not                                                                   
                           proceed. The royalty percentage was                                                                  
                           increased from 16 to 20 percent.                                                                   
1880 Representative        Noted that there are significant specific                                                            
    Whitaker             penalties if benchmarks are not met.                                                                 
1915 Mr. Myers             Explained that there is a $27.5 million                                                              
                           dollar penalty if the development                                                                    
                           drilling is not done. The work commitment                                                            
                           was given a high value. The intent was to                                                            
                           have firm commitments in order to avoid                                                              
                           litigation if the work commitment is not                                                             
                           met.                                                                                               
1953 Representative        Felt that the Division did a good job in                                                           
      Whitaker              its negotiations.                                                                                 
 1966 Representative John Referred to BP's declining role in the                                                                
      Davies                North Slope. He questioned if there are                                                             
                            things to be done to encourage                                                                      
                            explorations by others.                                                                           
 2008 Commissioner          Expressed the hope that tracts that are                                                             
      Pourchot              not being explored would come back to the                                                           
                            state or be leased to other players. He                                                             
                            observed that there are commercially                                                                
                            viable tracts that are not being                                                                    
                            developed.                                                                                        
 2094 Representative John Questioned if there are sufficient                                                                    
     Davies                incentives to attract exploration.                                                                 
 2107 Mr. Myers             Responded that the tremendous potential                                                             
                            of Alaska is the first key. The increase                                                            
                            of 3D sizing has helped. Reasonable                                                                 
                            access is needed. Access will also be a                                                             
                            huge issue with a potential gas line. The                                                           
                            department has strived to work with new                                                             
                            companies to educate them in how to                                                                 
                            obtain leases, etc. He cautioned that in                                                            
                            regards to financial incentives that good                                                           
                            wells get drilled and bad wells get                                                                 
                            subsidies.                                                                                        
 2269 Commissioner          Noted that there is a tie in with federal                                                           
      Pourchot              programs. Tariff structures can be in                                                               
                            trust. He did not have any specific                                                                 
                            legislative recommendations to encourage                                                            
                           development.                                                                                       
 2342 Mr. Myers             In response to a question by                                                                        
                            Representative John Davies, stressed that                                                           
                            infrastructure facilities are not                                                                   
                            regulated. Facilities can be made into a                                                            
                            profit center in relation to competition                                                            
                            with competitors.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
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 013 Commissioner           Discussed page 20 of summary: conveyance                                                            
      Pourchot              of land to municipalities. He noted that                                                            
                            the department transferred 16,677 acres.                                                            
                            The annual target is 12,000 acres. There                                                            
                            are 600,000 acres of municipal                                                                      
                            entitlement remaining.                                                                            
 174 Representative John Noted that municipalities are not always                                                               
      Davies                in a hurry to receive their entitlements.                                                         
 246 Commissioner           Observed that communities that have the                                                             
      Pourchot              majority of their entitlements may want                                                             
                            to proceed slowly in order to assess                                                                
                            their needs and opportunities.                                                                    
 351 Representative         Questioned if municipal entitlements                                                                
      Lancaster             would exacerbate the title difficulties.                                                          
 397 Commissioner           Acknowledged that there would be some                                                               
      Pourchot              affect on title work, though it rests                                                             
                           with land and water.                                                                               
439 Commissioner           Reviewed the number of acres sold and                                                                
      Pourchot             revenue generated. There will be 25,000                                                              
                           subdivision tracts offered in FY02 and                                                               
                           300 remote cabin sites. This is a 1,000                                                              
                           percent increase from FY01. There has                                                                
                           been a significant increase in acres of                                                              
                           land available for sale. The state will                                                              
                           have "run the course" for a lot of the                                                               
                           re-offers of older tracts defaulted to                                                               
                           the state or not sold by FY03.                                                                     
563 Co-Chair Mulder        Felt that it was a good program.                                                                   
615 Commissioner           The current land disposal program                                                                    
      Pourchot             generated $2.8 million dollars back into                                                             
                           the land disposal income account. The                                                                
                           fund balance exceeds the prediction of                                                               
                          two years ago.                                                                                      
640 Commissioner           Discussed the number of water right                                                                  
      Pourchot             applications processed. He noted that                                                                
                           this item was a problem in the previous                                                              
                           fiscal year. He noted that a court                                                                   
                           decision threaten the viability of the                                                               
                           temporary water permits. The department                                                              
                           offered suggestions for improvements,                                                                
                           which were adopted by the previous                                                                   
                           legislature. Statutory changes to clarify                                                            
                           the temporary water permit authority and                                                             
                           to authorize a fee system were adopted                                                               
                           with a one-year sunset. Regulations for                                                              
                           streamlining are out for public review.                                                              
                           They hope to meet the target of 60 days                                                              
                           for water rights and 20 days for                                                                     
                           temporary water rights.                                                                            
822 Commissioner           Reviewed visits to the park system. He                                                               
    Pourchot             concluded that visits are up and the                                                                   
                           department resources are stretched.                                                                
878 Representative Croft Questioned if park visits will continue                                                                
                           to increase in the light of 9/11/01.                                                               
900 Commissioner           Pointed out that 80 percent of the visits                                                            
      Pourchot             are from in state residents. He noted                                                                
                           that national parks visitation is up                                                                 
                          after 9/11/01.                                                                                      
962 Representative         Questioned if a head tax should be                                                                   
      Hudson               implemented.                                                                                       
988 Commissioner           Clarified that there are several fees in                                                             
      Pourchot             place.                                                                                             
1141 Commissioner          In response to a question by Co-Chair                                                                
      Pourchot             Williams, Commissioner Pourchot observed                                                             
                           that the state tries not to compete with                                                             
                           the private sector.                                                                                
1244 Commissioner          Reviewed the level of deferred                                                                       
      Pourchot             maintenance in park sites. He noted that                                                           
                            the state is falling behind in addressing                                                           
                            deferred maintenance needs. Deferred                                                                
                            maintenance needs are currently at $42                                                              
                            million dollars. The existing personnel                                                             
                            are thin and unable to keep up with                                                                 
                           maintenance.                                                                                       
 1349 Commissioner          Noted that the funding system was changed                                                           
      Pourchot              on the Recorder's Office, which has been                                                            
                            successful. The documentation is coming                                                             
                            in at record rates. They are still having                                                           
                            problems in Anchorage, which has high                                                               
                            volume.                                                                                           
 1413 Commissioner          Referred to their web site. He noted that                                                           
      Pourchot              there is more website usage.                                                                      
 1437 Commissioner          Reviewed missions for the Airborne                                                                  
      Pourchot              Geophysical Surveys program. The                                                                    
                            department missed the FY01 cycle for lack                                                           
                            of funding. They attempted to do two                                                                
                            years worth of work but costs have                                                                  
                            increased. They were unable to achieve as                                                           
                            much as they hoped. He noted that 630                                                               
                            miles of coverage were completed. The                                                               
                            lack of progress is purely a result of                                                              
                            funding. They have targeted high                                                                    
                            potential areas.                                                                                  
      ADJOURNMENT           The meeting was adjourned at 4:42 p.m.                                                            

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